Showing posts with label Social Norms. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Social Norms. Show all posts

Tuesday, May 10, 2011

A Question of Preference

Of late, I have often found myself discussing the idea of dating outside of one’s race. Certainly this is an idea that deserves attention in present times. If you look around, whether on the streets around you or in the media, you can see that it is an increasing phenomenon to see mixed-race couples. There are a plethora of reasons for this, none of them any less valid than another. The world is shrinking, mostly due to social media and the ability to connect with anyone at any place around the world via the internet. Minority populations in the U.S. are steadily becoming the majority, and there is an ever-growing international presence within our borders as well. While there are irrefutably still very segregated places throughout America, there are many cities and neighborhoods where there is a good mixture of people from different backgrounds and cultures; as a result, some of the children from these areas are growing up with diversity and difference being the norm. It follows that as they grow older, they may not view dating outside of their race as out of the ordinary. Whatever the real reason (or reasons), more and more mixed-race couples are popping up, and as a result more and more people are considering this as an option.

As I contemplate this idea myself, I find myself in an interesting position, one riddled with internal conflict, particularly in light of my choice of job in multicultural affairs. I believe that people should be free to date whomever they choose, and be free to do so without persecution. But even within this belief, I know that I have levels and limits, particularly for myself. As a person of color, in particular a Black man, I believe I would be ok dating outside of my race…as long as it was another person of color. I cannot see myself dating a white woman – even to the point of saying that will not date a white woman. I classify (or justify?) it as a preference, based largely on mutual interest, understanding, and experiences – and I can’t ignore the phenotypical aspects as well. I’ll explain both. To the first point (mutual interest, understanding, and experiences): another person of color is much more likely to understand my experiences as a Black man, and have congruent ideas and interests because of this understanding. A white woman is far less likely to align with me along these issues, as her status in American society affords her the opportunity to not have to deal with the same struggles as a person of color. It is important to note that racial/ethnic identity is not an absolute indicator that a person will understand or even sympathize with the experience of minorities in America – but it does significantly increase that individual’s chances. If I had to choose between a socially-conscious white woman and a Black woman who in essence didn’t know she was Black or tried to separate herself as much as possible with her Blackness, I’d pick the white girl. To the second point (phenotype): depending on what ethnicity you’re talking about, women of color are much more likely to have the physical attributes I find attractive: curves, melanin-rich skin, curly hair, etc. Again, being a person of color is no guarantee that you will have these things, but the likelihood is most definitely increased.

As I have explored my ideas about the aforementioned, both through conversation with others and as an internal process, I have seen weakness in pieces of my philosophy. The greatest problem I see is of continuity: if I say I believe people should be able to date whomever they wish, but limit myself in my dating choices, do I truly believe what I say? Is it possible to believe one thing for others but not for yourself? In some ways I think this contradiction could be perceived as hypocritical, and maybe it is. I’m not entirely sure, but it is high on my list of things to contemplate and sort out.

While reading these thoughts about my dating preferences, many people will undoubtedly have seen another potential weakness inherent in my thinking. When it comes to racial preferences via classification, where do you draw the line? By that I mean where does one race end and another begin? It’s all very convoluted. For instance, when I say “white women,” I am thinking more specifically about Americans. But what about Europeans, for example? Certainly many (if not all) of them are considered white, but is there not a difference between the people in Italy and an Ireland? Spain and Germany? You can come much closer to home and ask these same questions. What about some Latinos, from the Dominican Republic or Puerto Rico, or other places? Some are blond-haired and blue-eyed, thus outwardly would appearing “white” (and arguably are white, as white is a racial indicator and not an ethnic identity, but that’s another conversation). I once dated a beautiful Israeli woman – in my mind, she was a person of color, but for all intents and purposes when she was walking down the street most people would look at her and think “white.” It gets so convoluted that it makes my head spin, and arguments for what is or isn’t go in and out of the window. What it ends up boiling down to is a question of what makes a person a “person of color.” Skin color? Experiences? Or both? I’ve already addressed this in part – I know that simply being a certain color does not guarantee that one will have certain beliefs or experiences…but it can and does increase the likelihood for this being the case.

Another issue I have with my own thoughts is a question of whether or not my thinking is right. Should I think these things at all? By having “preferences” am I really just practicing discrimination? How would I feel if a white person said the same things I am saying, but in reverse? White man: “I think people should date who they want, but I won’t date a Black woman because she probably won’t have the same experiences as me or understand me as well as another white woman could.” It makes me both laugh and cringe, and I’m not sure whether or not I think it’s inherently wrong, although initially I think it’s not (but is this me unconsciously wishing to validate my own thoughts?). As someone concerned with social justice and equality, I know that we as a society need to move further towards acceptance and appreciation of difference; we are far too segregated now. But I don’t think it’s absolutely necessary to date outside of your race to achieve this goal, though I’m sure some would argue that it is (though I recognize that it certainly helps). Engrained within my desire to date within-race or, if not within, at least a person of color, is a deep-seated reason which I cannot seem to shake. As mentioned, all of the things I love are wrapped up in women of color – the look, the experiences, and the understanding. But outside of that, I willingly admit that I feel social pressure to date a Black woman, both from external and internal sources. Externally, it is no secret that most Black people shun those who date outside of the race, particularly those who date white people (and given the racial history of this country, it’s not hard to understand why). Internally, I believe I have a certain obligation to marry a Black woman. As I work in higher education, I know the statistics regarding Black men and level of education, which more often than not translates to level of success attained in life. As a Black woman moves up the educational and social ladder, she finds fewer and fewer Black men on the same level. At the risk of sounding arrogant or at the least overly-confident and self-centered, I know what I represent. I’m one of the few Black men (sadly) who is high-achieving, highly-educated, and successful. If I were to date outside of my race, I would be removing myself from an already insufficiently-filled pool for educated Black women who want to date Black men. To me, to date a white woman in particular, equates to a slap in the face of Black women, me saying, “I know that there are much less of us than you, but oh well, I’ll make it one less.” Is this way of thinking right or wrong? I am not sure.

As I get older and wiser, and think more critically about my beliefs, I see them adapting and changing. To this argument, this question of interracial dating: I know I should be open to it, and I am open to it…on some levels. At this point in my life, I try not to stand in the way of my own blessings, which is to say I try not to dictate as much what I think my life should or should not be, but step out of the way to let God bless me as He sees fit. So in that sense, I allow for the possibility that I could meet and fall in love with someone who is altogether different from whom I believe my ideal or desired woman to be now – she could be Black, Latina, Asian…or white. I pray that God continues to keep me open to things that are best for me and are according to His plan for my life. BUT…I have made it exceedingly clear to God that if He chooses for me a white woman, knowing full and well how much I love Black women and women of color, me and Him are going to have some words. WORDS, I tell you. Of course I’m joking…(no I’m not).

-JMC-

Sunday, January 23, 2011

Two Men Talking


This is a conversation via Blackberry Messenger that we had one day. This is pretty typical of our casual chats, hence why we started the blog.

JCox: My dude - what are your thoughts on the social norm of the responsibilities for courting falling largely to the man? E.g. man approaching the woman, paying for everything, etc
Wilmon A. Christian III: Ummm the best way to look @ it is in the traditional frame. In courting the man is implying to the woman that he will pursue, protect, and provide.
Wilmon A. Christian III: Its a picture of things to come
Wilmon A. Christian III: The best way to look @ it is Christ and the church. Its a great picture. As Christ is referred to as groom and the church as bride.
Wilmon A. Christian III: Further, Christ came from heaven to save us = pursuer. He ministered to us/gave us the 'bread' of His word provider.
Wilmon A. Christian III: He died for us saving us from eternal damnation= protector

JCox: He's also God lol. Different dynamic
Wilmon A. Christian III: Indeed He is.
JCox: Good model, but not to be interpreted as literally and without consideration of said dynamic
Wilmon A. Christian III: Right. Well as God there exists a different dynamic with 'how' he relates to us.
JCox: I take it that you are a completely traditional man, without much (if any) exception
Wilmon A. Christian III: Not necessarily. I know that I can probably cook better than most women and I'm prepared to cook for my family etc. Ummm I do like traditional courting bc for me in it there is a fulfilling quality that relates to my manhood.
Wilmon A. Christian III: I wouldn't want a woman to 'court' me w/the same dynamic reversed for gender.
JCox: Ok. But do u not see how in tying your manhood to whether or not u pay for dates with a woman LIMITS your manhood, as well as makes it impossible for some men to be a "man" by that standard?
Wilmon A. Christian III: I understand the point ur trying to get to but I never explicitly stated that I make my manhood or its extricably tied to 'paying for dates etc'.
Wilmon A. Christian III: I said there is a 'a fulfilling quality that relates to my manhood' which implies that my manhood is multidimensional
JCox: No, u didn't. But u did say that the traditional method for courting is tied to a fulfilling quality that relates to your manhood, and u also earlier mentioned that paying for dates is part of the traditional standard that u believe in
JCox: Which is tied into your idea of being a "provider"
JCox: The simple question would be: do u believe a man should pay for all dates, or be expected to do so
Wilmon A. Christian III: Well I think that ur limiting my previous statements to a narrow view of provider. I guarantee there are [brothas] who 'court' women but don't provide for them emotionally. So for me in addition to being a provider monetarily I desire to be a provider emotionally.
JCox: I didn’t intend to limit your statement, I intended to explore it. Thus the reason for the question. As you present your ideas, I inquire further, challenging what you say- simultaneously causing you to seriously consider your beliefs, and me to expand my knowledge base
JCox: In essence-- I want to see IF you have a narrow view of manhood, provider, etc.
Wilmon A. Christian III: Understood.
JCox: I believe I have a broad view of the words myself, and am glad to see that you do as well
JCox: (thumbs up)

Wilmon A. Christian III: To ur question I don't think there's an easy answer. If I say yes, that reinforces the gender norms and propagates the notion that women should be dependent on men etc etc.
JCox: Agreed.
JCox: That's what I talk to my men about in my class- expanding their view of manhood. Most of them WOULD tied their manhood solely to monetary contributions, and maybe physical defense of the woman.
Wilmon A. Christian III: If I say no, that is to deny a fundamental part of me and deny my fulfillment and joy etc as a man. I DO like providing and 'lavishing' (in a tasteful way) a woman in that manner.
Wilmon A. Christian III: Now it would over doing it to say that I NEED to pay for EVERYTHING. If she aint bringing anything to the table but her womb, what good is that for the relational aspect and for the prolonging of a potential bond beyond the birth of a child?
Wilmon A. Christian III: Now, personally I don't like thirsty girls or females that are too available. Its a turn off for me.
JCox: (thumbs up) to thirsty women. Extreme turnoff.
JCox: I wonder why that is tho-- why does it make u feel more like a man to 'lavish' and provide (monetarily, for that is what we are speaking on now) for a woman? I think the general idea is a social norm that we continue to perpetuate, and likely unnecessarily and incorrectly. In my mind, it is/should be in HUMAN nature, men and women, to want to lavish upon those you love...NOT solely bc u are a man. That to me is limiting of manhood (even if in only one small piece). It doesn't leave room for those who cannot do that. And if for at any reason you don't have that capability, then you MUST look for ways to supplement and feed your manhood in other ways (ie, lost a job ). That is what I don't like about the system
JCox: I def don't have the answer- these are just questions I ask myself all the time...and others around me. Who knows what the true "right" way of thinking is...

Wilmon A. Christian III: Ur correct tho to an extent. I def agree w/lavishing on those we love. I think we have to broaden the word 'lavish' and not limit it to $. Case n point this Christmas I was broke. Couldn't spend money on those whom I love. And I LOVE giving great gifts so I was kinda hurt that I couldn't do it. So what did I do? I lavished the heck on my family w/love, help, and support. Whatever they needed I was the first one to step up.
JCox: Yeah. (thumbs up) (thumbs up) and (thumbs up)
JCox: But we were speaking about the specific idea of money, I thought, at this point
Wilmon A. Christian III: And support them emotionally etc etc. And I never felt less of a man. In fact I felt just as fulfilled. We were talkin bout $ but I wanted to tease out and expand concept
JCox: Fa sho
JCox: Then in moving on, I am in 100% agreement. "Providing" is all about multi-level. Emotional, spiritual, monetary...whatever is necessary at any given moment

Wilmon A. Christian III: In my relations w/a woman what it boils down to for me is proper appreciation. Can she see and appreciate and protect and uplift and support me adequately as a man? Bc real talk men are fragile creatures too
JCox: Indeed
JCox: Men (as we are now) actually might be MORE fragile in my mind, in that we need to be handled much more delicately at times. We aren't socialized to be as emotionally aware as women, and we have this entire concept of manhood for which women don't have an opposite. If u don't tread lightly, u can crush a man's manhood/ego, with detrimental effects to the relationship
JCox: Men HAVE to feel like men.
Wilmon A. Christian III: And I think that women have been presented with this wack narrow view of men i.e.: oversexualized hypermasculine, etc that they forget to love, support, protect, uplift, build up their men.
JCox: Yeah, I feel it
Wilmon A. Christian III: So much so that they have their defenses up and don't give the best of themselves. Like really, I want to experience the best of one good woman and for her to experience the best of me. Not some shell of a form of sus relationship. I wanna know that she can hold my all as a man and to be secure in that place.
Wilmon A. Christian III: Where I get caught up is playing this dichotomy of being this player nupe being on the scene being 'that [brotha]' etc and being the emotional creature and desiring to share emotions w/one good quality woman.
JCox: Yeah. For me it's trying to get to the point where I can truly be my caring, giving self. Bc by playing the game all these years, I've learned that women will use the heck out of you if u come out with that too early, hence part of my philosophical stand against the status quo for dating. I'm not lavishing u with anything until I know I got a real chick who won't use me lol
Wilmon A. Christian III: Real talk. Since my break up I've been somewhat in defense mode where I've been women a dose or piece of me bc I know most women can't handle the real me who'll love the hell outta of woman.
JCox: Yeah I fell that. I'm definitely guarded
Wilmon A. Christian III: That why in that 'it' piece on the blog I said it should make me want 'involve myself with her not just on a superficial level but on an emotional level' 'it is when a woman ignites a passion in a man for him to get to really know and care about her beyond her beauty'
Wilmon A. Christian III: I do think [men] really overlook emotional security in relationships w/ women. In overlooking it, as a coping mechanism that find it or manifest it in various often negative forms
Wilmon A. Christian III: Word up. Misplaced emotion is [crazy]
JCox: Yessir. Quite wild. The cause for many a mistake in word and deed
Wilmon A. Christian III: I think we’re on the verge of being ready to become the men we espouse to be. O for grace that God by His providence would allow us to come into holy manhood
JCox: Lol. Yes we are. And one day we shall enter that place
Wilmon A. Christian III: I’ve gotta be able to talk to my son on this level. Read the proverbs, it’s a father talking to his son. And there are very powerful things and guidance not just for behavior but also for disposition and emotional relation to women
JCox: Real talk.